Curse

Xenomortis · Jun 09, 2009, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

Lol? If you can call that 'violence' no wonder these sickheads in german Bundestag want to ban something they have not a slightest idea about

I'm not a fan of over-violent games myself, but if things continue with this hate I may find myself getting one or two controversial titles just to support the game developers ...

I'm sorry, but groups of people hitting each other with swords, throwing fireballs at each other and shooting each other with arrows is most definitly violence.
It isn't graphic, it isn't extreme and it most certainly isn't anything to get worked up about, but it is violence.

Trying to say violent games have a profound, long term affect on the people who play them (and passing laws over it) is stupid though. There is absolutely no evidence for it.
Saying they have absolutely no effect isn't too bright either, but it's a much more logical and reasonable assumption for a starting point.

pumpkin pie · Jun 09, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

current situation : 100 people play games that is label as "violent", 50 of those are label as most likely to commit a crime of the "violent" sort, but because they could spend time playing computer game and express their "violence" in the game, only 5 of the 50 actually goes out and commit violent crime.

after the ban: all 50 goes on a violent crime spree

MithranArkanere · Jun 09, 2009, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

The necromancer has two armour sets specifically called "Scar Pattern" and all of their headgear is termed "Scar Pattern".
Otherwise, your point more or less stands.

It does feature human vs human violence though, but not to a shocking degree.

You can't remove scars, they are just makeup like the Zombie makeup.

JeniM · Jun 09, 2009, 02:24 PM // 14:24

I find it scary that a first world, free country could impose such a massive censorship campaign.

Wonder how long it'll be before driving games have been banned because "People who break the speed limit ALWAYS play driving games"

I love going over 200mph on Burnout yet I've never used the outside lane of the motorway.

I also think it's shocking that games like WoW and GW class as violent. The graphics are not realistic (WoW especially) and most of the time your using magic anyway. I'd be very surprised if I opened the paper and the headline was "12 Killed In School Magic Indecent. After playing the game Guild Wars, school boy Joe Bloggs went to school and killed 11 classmates using Searing Flames before taking his own life with Blood is Power. a witness blames PvX wiki for giving him the build."

Killed u man · Jun 09, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

So this means there won't be any rspike or bspike no more?

qvtkc · Jun 09, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

It does feature human vs human violence though, but not to a shocking degree.

The icon for Dismember looks eerily like a human arm cut in two

Ebony Shadowheart · Jun 09, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by Zaris

Look at the violance caused by games

Even though this is obvious acting, things like this are a prime example of a lack of parenting.

We have as many issues with violence and crime in the youth today, not because of violent games/movies/music, but because parents aren't doing their damn jobs. Giving your child a cell phone and a credit card, then dropping them at the mall to 'do whatever' isn't parenting. Giving them game after game to keep them entertained so you don't have to deal with them is not parenting.

Limits need to be set on game play and tv watching. Discipline needs to be brought back into the home environment. Children should not be allowed to do whatever the hell they want; which is exactly what's happening today because parents are afraid to discipline their children.

Violence has always been around. There have been how many wars overthe course of history? Animals kill and eat each other as part of the natural course of life. Violence is a part of nature, and violent movies and games have been around for ages. (Remember resident evil on the Atari anyone? I sure as hell do). So what's the difference between then and now? (Besides, graphics obviously). Discipline. It wasn't long ago parents would make children go out and pick a limb from a tree to receive their spanking with. Kids were a whole hell of a lot better behaved at that point!

As for the OP's issue that violent games cause our children to be violent....b*llsh*t. There are studies that show violent games increase violent tenancies, and then there are studies that show it doesn't. The issue with all these 'studies' is that they can be made to show anything they want based on who is performing the study and under what circumstances the questions are being asked.

Puddin Cheeks · Jun 09, 2009, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by bhavv

What a load of poop. I dont kill people because I play video games, I kill them because this one time, I watched a film called Saw, and it looked like fun to try that on people in real life.

They need to ban Chess as well, you know, the game where you kill the enemy pieces resembling humans soldiers? Oh, and also don't forget to ban Risk.

By all means you have to ban Risk, because you get the urge to throw dice on a street corner and smoke crack.

good post.

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Originally Posted by JeniM

I'd be very surprised if I opened the paper and the headline was "12 Killed In School Magic Indecent. After playing the game Guild Wars, school boy Joe Bloggs went to school and killed 11 classmates using Searing Flames before taking his own life with Blood is Power. a witness blames PvX wiki for giving him the build."

But the snipers couldn't take him down because he had "Shadow Form" up permanently. When he died a police officer ran up to him and zranked him at level 1.

Maybe, they think every gamer acts like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVmfIUR1DA

well maybe only about 80 percent of them.

Now Diabolical · Jun 09, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Our Politicians don't see te improtant difference(s) between Games like Manhunt and Games like Rainbow Six, Counter-Strike etc.

Aljasha · Jun 09, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

the german administration already "bans" games, which are too violent. e.g. gears of war is on the index and the press, regardless of printed or online, is not allowed to even mention it in any way. also, you can't buy it at local stores.

this is populism and nothing more.

Targren · Jun 09, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Whee. This doesn't make me want to go all Liu Kang on someone's face. As has been said, there's never been any credible proof that videogames make you any more violent than you already were. If anything, being able to unleash my stress and anger through gaming makes me less likely to hurt someone.

I dunno about that. After finally beating Fendi, I generally want to kick someone in the teeth.

Xenomortis · Jun 09, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Targren

I dunno about that. After finally beating Fendi, I generally want to kick someone in the teeth.

Video games may make somebody tense, potentially angry and generally more violent than they would normally be, but these are only short-term effects and are the only effects we have observed.

Besides, this isn't unique to video games. Perhaps we should ban sports too.

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

Even though this is obvious acting, things like this are a prime example of a lack of parenting.

Thank you.

Consider the following headlines:
"Gamer goes on Killing Spree after playing violent games"
"Badly raised kid with shit parents loses it - nobody suprised"

Both of those are equally valid, but only one of them highlights the cause. Hint: it isn't the first one.
In some cases, it appears games are being used as a scapegoat.

Regina Buenaobra · Jun 09, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Martin was just talking to me about this issue yesterday, and what the political climate is like in Germany and how politicians there view videogames.

Ghost Omel · Jun 09, 2009, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Martin was just talking to me about this issue yesterday, and what the political climate is like in Germany and how politicians there view videogames.

So Regina what is your opinion on the issue at hand?

Regina Buenaobra · Jun 09, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

So Regina what is your opinion on the issue at hand?

I can't comment on the intricacies of German politics.

In general, and this seems to be the case in the US, too, I think politicians want to find easy answers to social problems. Because many people in older generations don't understand new technology, it's easy for them to suggest that videogames cause problems.

But if you look at the actual studies out there, the answers are really not clear cut at all. Terra Nova had a really interesting piece a few weeks ago discussing this issue, and also talking about the nature of such studies in general.

Puddin Cheeks · Jun 09, 2009, 05:49 PM // 17:49

I also think in most cases that they try to blame violence on games, it is actually a move of defense by the lawyers for their client(one who committed crime). It also seems kind of a way to point blame into a very grey area right now in the legal system. Orange is the new black and being able to put blame on a tangible object (video game) almost is like they have a reason for the "insanity" plea. Instead of just saying my client is insane, they say "this(gameX)" is why my client is insane and it is not their fault for their own actions that followed exposure.

Of course I don't believe any of this crap, but Lawyers are lawyers. They will find what every way they can to defend their client, right or wrong.

Chicken Ftw · Jun 09, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Isn't blaming games for violent behavior normalizing violent behavior itself? It's essentially saying we're all inherently violent/murderous in nature, and that all it takes to push us over the edge into full-on murder sprees is one violent game. It's saying that it's not the fault of the person committing the act of violence, nor his lack of parenting, self-control and sense of reality vs fantasy; it's the existence of violent games that should be blamed. When you look at it that way, I don't see how you can even consider the argument against violent games remotely logical anymore.

Ghost Omel · Jun 09, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Violent games are created not out of thin air but due tot he fact that the events protrayed in the games are directly linked tot he evnts that have been happening prior to thweir creation in real life......Wars are real....Clashing Armies are real.....all games do are puting these events into the form in which the gamer can relive them in the virtual universe....now how player vioews it is solely depends on his stgate of mind....some might look at the horrors of war in the video game..then apply it to real life and realize that

"Oh s**t now i know what my grandfather went through in WW2.. let me give him a call"

Others on the other hand will think the oposite....neither of the 2 cause crimes to be commited..they just serve as reminders,examples and fictional futures of the world we live in......

Horror games on the other hand are based on ghosts demons,mental disfunctions and such...helps you get into mind of the freaks and serial killers and in no way make you become them.

Coast · Jun 09, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

they should ban the news also then, all the violence and bad stuff on it

Now Diabolical · Jun 09, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I can't comment on the intricacies of German politics.

In general, and this seems to be the case in the US, too, I think politicians want to find easy answers to social problems. Because many people in older generations don't understand new technology, it's easy for them to suggest that videogames cause problems.

Maybe you should say to all GW2-Developers, that we in Germany need big pink cubes as Monsters

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Germany is easy:
If you have any problem, everything is bad what a normal 40+ Citizen has never seen before.
Don't talk much about problems in School, don't much talk about problems in the social system.